<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: The future of networking in hypervisors &#8211; not so bright</title>
	<atom:link href="http://www.techopsguys.com/2010/03/01/the-future-of-networking-in-hypervisors-not-so-bright/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://www.techopsguys.com/2010/03/01/the-future-of-networking-in-hypervisors-not-so-bright/</link>
	<description>Diggin&#039; technology every day</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 02:46:45 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1</generator>
	<item>
		<title>By: Qlogic answers my call for help &#171; TechOpsGuys.com</title>
		<link>http://www.techopsguys.com/2010/03/01/the-future-of-networking-in-hypervisors-not-so-bright/comment-page-1/#comment-779</link>
		<dc:creator>Qlogic answers my call for help &#171; TechOpsGuys.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Oct 2010 15:53:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.techopsguys.com/?p=580#comment-779</guid>
		<description>[...] a lot. If you have been reading this blog for a while you may of noticed earlier in the year I was criticising the network switch industry (includes my favorite manufacturers as well) for going down the route of trying to &#8220;reclaim [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] a lot. If you have been reading this blog for a while you may of noticed earlier in the year I was criticising the network switch industry (includes my favorite manufacturers as well) for going down the route of trying to &#8220;reclaim [...]</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Nate</title>
		<link>http://www.techopsguys.com/2010/03/01/the-future-of-networking-in-hypervisors-not-so-bright/comment-page-1/#comment-264</link>
		<dc:creator>Nate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 16:34:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.techopsguys.com/?p=580#comment-264</guid>
		<description>Thanks for the comment! The issue I have with keeping switching in software is it&#039;s not scalable. It&#039;s fine for basic things, but if you want more advanced functionality like sFlow (http://www.sflow.org/sFlowOverview.pdf) it really needs to be in hardware, especially if your talking about 10GbE speeds.

You could even go beyond sFlow and have ClearFLOW (http://www.extremenetworks.com//libraries/whitepapers/WPCLEAR-Flow_1083.pdf)

Motherboards don&#039;t need to be more complex it could just be another PCIe card, or it could be integrated into the 10GbE chip itself. From talking with a friend at Broadcom their current 10GbE chip used by OEMs is already very sophisticated. The offloading should be transparent.

The way the industry is (trying) to move though it appears is that there will be no local switching anymore period in the hypervisor, if VM #1 wants to talk to VM #2 on the same hypervisor that traffic will go out the network adapter to a switch, the switch then sends the traffic right back. I forget the standard off hand but they are working on it. The issue now is that networking standards prevent a switch from sending traffic in this manor today, otherwise they&#039;d be doing this now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comment! The issue I have with keeping switching in software is it&#8217;s not scalable. It&#8217;s fine for basic things, but if you want more advanced functionality like sFlow (<a href="http://www.sflow.org/sFlowOverview.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.sflow.org/sFlowOverview.pdf</a>) it really needs to be in hardware, especially if your talking about 10GbE speeds.</p>
<p>You could even go beyond sFlow and have ClearFLOW (<a href="http://www.extremenetworks.com//libraries/whitepapers/WPCLEAR-Flow_1083.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.extremenetworks.com//libraries/whitepapers/WPCLEAR-Flow_1083.pdf</a>)</p>
<p>Motherboards don&#8217;t need to be more complex it could just be another PCIe card, or it could be integrated into the 10GbE chip itself. From talking with a friend at Broadcom their current 10GbE chip used by OEMs is already very sophisticated. The offloading should be transparent.</p>
<p>The way the industry is (trying) to move though it appears is that there will be no local switching anymore period in the hypervisor, if VM #1 wants to talk to VM #2 on the same hypervisor that traffic will go out the network adapter to a switch, the switch then sends the traffic right back. I forget the standard off hand but they are working on it. The issue now is that networking standards prevent a switch from sending traffic in this manor today, otherwise they&#8217;d be doing this now.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Anthony</title>
		<link>http://www.techopsguys.com/2010/03/01/the-future-of-networking-in-hypervisors-not-so-bright/comment-page-1/#comment-263</link>
		<dc:creator>Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 12:48:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.techopsguys.com/?p=580#comment-263</guid>
		<description>Hi guys, love the blog!

Not sure that incorporating a switch into the server is the answer.  Other than the physical distance, an in-server switch is going to look just like an in-chassis switch.  And that shorter distance isn&#039;t really going to buy us anything, not in a properly built enterprise class blade chassis where the backplane is completely passive with only traces on the board connecting the &quot;back&quot; of the servers to the switching fabric I/O.  

I&#039;d prefer to keep the switching for VM&#039;s on the same host within the hypervisor itself.   This keeps my switching in software, distance is not an issue, and the hop is truly a virtual hop.  

Plus, I&#039;m all for making my server motherboards less complex, not more complex.  Many companies are taking this approach in MB design, truly trying to minimize the number of on-board components to reduce potential component failures.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi guys, love the blog!</p>
<p>Not sure that incorporating a switch into the server is the answer.  Other than the physical distance, an in-server switch is going to look just like an in-chassis switch.  And that shorter distance isn&#8217;t really going to buy us anything, not in a properly built enterprise class blade chassis where the backplane is completely passive with only traces on the board connecting the &#8220;back&#8221; of the servers to the switching fabric I/O.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;d prefer to keep the switching for VM&#8217;s on the same host within the hypervisor itself.   This keeps my switching in software, distance is not an issue, and the hop is truly a virtual hop.  </p>
<p>Plus, I&#8217;m all for making my server motherboards less complex, not more complex.  Many companies are taking this approach in MB design, truly trying to minimize the number of on-board components to reduce potential component failures.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>

